u/michaelnovati replied ·
Is that 7.5 months after graduating or after starting?
And 52 people who graduated or 52 people who started?
Hack Reactor ~7.5 Months Results
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u/BExpost wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
7.5 months after graduating. 52 of the total remaining. I removed the people who didn't pass or had to start over from the total.
u/michaelnovati replied ·
Thanks for the quick reply! So that's comparable to the CIRR "percentage of graduates employed within 6 months of graduating" and I don't think that 40% is that bad actually (... and sadly). For people graduating around June through September I expect the placement to be around 50% at the top-of-the-top bootcamps. I expect the people who graduated early 2022 to be higher, and we've yet to see what will happen with graduates end of 2022.
u/MiddleRealistic5189 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Never understood why anyone would attend a bootcamp that has prior students as TAs.
u/michaelnovati replied · ★ FEATURED
Codesmith is one of the top programs with arguably the top outcomes of any bootcamp and is entirely taught by former students. The lead instructors are all former students who were instructors for a few years. The instructors are students hired back full time. The TAs are people who just graduated and do a 3 month contract. The part time advisors are almost all students who now work in industry. Other than the founders and the investors who help out, every instructional staff except one went to Codesmith.
So that doesn't mean it can't work.
u/MiddleRealistic5189 wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
I’m not saying it doesn’t work I’m just saying I don’t think it’s optimal and in my opinion likely leads to bad practices. But hey to each his own.
u/michaelnovati replied ·
I'm 1000 percent on the same page there. Teachers with no industry experience might be able to be good at teaching but you can't fake experience.
u/mamontenok wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Does HR have prior students working as TAs? Sorry, I’m confused as the post describes HR and Michael N here talks about Codesmith.
u/michaelnovati replied ·
If someone asks "Anyone have experience selling apples?" and someone says "All fruit is a waste of time, no one can sell fruit successfully" and you know of an extremely successful orange seller... is it weird to say "I know a very successful orange seller that's a counter example to that statement"
When making a logical argument and stating "all", you need one counter example to disprove. And if you are choosing a counter example, why not choose the best one?
u/mamontenok wrote (the comment Michael replied to):
Ok, that wasn’t my question though.
u/michaelnovati replied ·
Yes. Very similar to Codesmith, but they call it a 3 month residency post bootcamp (SIER) and Codesmith calls it a "fellow".